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AA: Of Course It's a Cult!

 AA:  A Fascist Cult Founded On "God-Control"

On the blog "Positive Atheism," author Jack Trimpey has a great post entitled, "Alcoholics Anonymous:  Of Course It's a Cult."   Trimpey is the founder of the secular AA alternative, Rational Recovery.  He has been openly and aggressively critical of AA for decades.
Some examples of the many phone calls from across the country that Trimpey and Rational Recovery regarding AA include:

“I knew from the start there was something creepy about those people.”

“They aren’t of this world; they’re way out there.” 

Charles Manson
“I kind of got a shiver during one meeting when they were putting one guy down for arguing against the powerless concept.”

“When they said my family also was diseased, I knew something was wrong.”

“When they started this thing about anything being my Higher Power, it felt wrong, like it was going against something very important inside of me.” 
L. Ron Hubbard

“After I stopped going to meetings, no one I knew from the groups would have anything to do with me, even though I wasn’t drinking.”

“My brother quit drinking by going to AA, but he’s become so weird. I hardly know him any more, and almost miss the way he was when he was drinking. At least he was sincere, and could talk about something besides himself.” 
James Jones

“Our son went to a treatment specialist for drug addiction, and now he says we are satanic child molesters.

“I’ve been telling my husband that the meetings aren’t helping, that he now calls his binges relapses and feels less guilty afterward. He admits he is drinking more and more often, but says relapse is a normal part of recovery. When he goes to meetings after a relapse, though, he feels ashamed and depressed.”

“A year after I quit drinking, my wife went to Al-Anon with a friend. Now she won’t communicate with me unless I go to AA.” 

Marshall Herff Applewhite
“The counselors at the treatment center were poorly-educated and acted like robots reciting every word.”

“I heard one man say, ‘I pray to God every day that I never get the idea that I can run my own life.’ When I heard this, I felt sick inside because I felt unable to leave the group.


It would be one thing if AA were actually effective, but it isn't.  It's recovery rate is a dismal 3-7%.  The spontaneous recovery rate for alcoholics who get no treatment is 5%.  Binge/relapse drinking for those in AA is nine times more likely to occur than for those who get no treatment.  The first of the twelve steps tells you that you must admit that you are powerless over alcohol.  The subsequent steps tell you to admit  your sins (defects) and that only God can cure you.  AA's method of learned helplessness is disastrous. 


Bill W.
Frank Buchman
Alcoholics Anonymous was formed by the Oxford Group in the 1930s.  The Oxford Group was founded by Frank Buchman, a Lutheran minister from Pennsylvania.  In one of Buchman's speeches during this period he stated:
     "The secret is God-control.  The only sane people in an insane world are those controlled by God.  God-controlled personalities make God-controlled nationalities.  This is the aim of the Oxford Group.
      The true patriot gives his life to bring his nation under God's control.  Those who oppose that control are public enemies....
     World peace will only come through nations which have achieved God-control.  And everybody can listen to God.  You can.  I can.  Everybody can have a part."
--Buchman, F., Remaking the World. London:  Blandford Press, 1961.

Buchman also said:
Adolph Hitler
"I thank heaven for a man like Adolph Hitler.  Human problems aren't economic. They're moral and they can't be solved by immoral measures. They could be solved within a God-controlled democracy, or perhaps I should say a theocracy, and they could be solved through a God-controlled Fascist dictatorship."



 --Birnie, W.A.H., "Hitler or Any Fascist Leader Controlled by God Could Cure All Ills of World," Buchman Believes.  New York World-Telegram, Aug 26 (1936).  cited from Thornton-Duesbury, J.P., The Open Secret of MRA:  An examination of Mr. Driberg's 'critical examination' of Moral Re-Armament."  London:  Blandford Press, 1964.  Also available here

Ask any AA member about their group's origins and the Oxford Group and watch what happens.  They'll get incredibly defensive and start rationalizing.  Then suggest that perhaps they, and not you, might be the ones in denial.

Charlie Sheen Was Right About AA

 

Though Charlie Sheen is definitely suffering from some form of mental illness, his reasoning about Alcoholics Anonymous is sound (and entertaining).  From Radar Online:
In a bizarre and tough-talking new interview, Charlie Sheen blasted Alcoholics Anonymous and said his success rate at beating addiction is 100%!

“Newsflash, I’m special,” Charlie said at one point during the interview with the Alex Jones Show. Sheen showed no signs of remorse for any of his actions and conversely lashed out at a variety of targets in a way that is sure to raise eyebrows.

“The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning,” he said asserting that he is clean and sober. Amazingly he added about his ability to get clean: “My success rate is 100%”

Sheen saved many of his angry words for Alcoholic Anonymous. “I was shackled and oppressed by the cult of AA for 22 years,” Sheen said. “I finally extracted myself from their troll hole and started living my life the way I want to live it.

“It’s vintage, outdated and stupid and it’s followed by STUPID people.”
He then added: “I hate them violently. They will come at me.”

At one point he said: “Debate me on AA right now. I have a disease? Bulls**t. I cured it right now with my mind.”
Sheen was feisty, acerbic, nasty and at times off-the-wall.

He even attacked  his own show at one point, saying: “I was told if I went on the attack they’d cancel the show. are they happy with the 5 billion dollars they made off me or do they want 10?”

Earlier he said: “I’m not fair game. I’m not a soft target. There’s a new sheriff, and he has an army of assassins,”  apparently as a warning to the media.
More Sheen wisdom included: “My motto now is either you love or you hate and you must do so violently. I don’t live in the middle anymore. That’s where you get embarrassed.

“If  you love with violence and you hate with violence there is nothing that can be questioned.”
Talking about his life and the new women in it, he said: “I’m going to hang out with these two smoking hotties and fly around the world. It might be lonely up here but I sure like the view.”

When interview host Alex Jones said, “I’m just glad you’re clean…this is it” Sheen seemed to back away from promising he’d be clean forever.
Sheen responded: “Right now it is. I don’t subscribe to any model.”

The Two and a Half Men star attacked AA, religion and a variety of targets while extolling the virtues of hanging out with “two smoking hotties.”
He characterized religion as “talking snakes” and a waste of a Sunday.

Littering his interview with violent imagery bordering on threats, Sheen saved his softest words for new squeeze Kenly, reading a letter she wrote him, that, in part, praised him for his “wisdom.”
By the end of the interview, even Alex Jones said:” I hope they don’t cancel Two and a Half Men over the interview you just heard.”
You can listen the full radio interview here.